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General Discussion / If Leviathans started today ...
« Last post by Von-Ether on April 01, 2017, 10:17:53 AM »
Just my 2 cents, really.

No Type 4s in the starter box:
The game is  a blast to play even without Type 4s. And why games with Type 4 were still just as fun, they had a different flavor, something that could keep the game fresh for long-term players. It's also a rare treat in the gaming world when there's something new to play in a game like Levs that's not shoehorned in after the fact. The Type 4 could be replaced with more models at the same price (a larger fleet looking more impressive) or just make the intro box cheaper. win/win.

Smaller models:
I'm assuming that part of the challenge of finding an affordable way to get the game to market. Smaller models would make the game cheaper and maybe faster to market. It sucks for previous purchasers, but better than no Levs at all.

More factions at the start:
Having four factions to start the game would give enough variety to keep players engaged over a longer run until the TYpe 4s and other factions come out.


My personal preferences

A model size for each type:
It's been a while since I played, but I remember that either Type 2s or Type 3s were starting to split into different classes. Having 5 unique models in a faction I think would give the game just a bit more flair.

Hexless combat as a option:
Levs was a hybrid game and thus you'll always have people that want hexes their style, usually board game/perfect information vs traditional wargamers usually a simulation style.




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General Discussion / Facebook Group First Fleet Review Day 2017
« Last post by HoratioHaggisblower on March 24, 2017, 01:31:06 PM »
We're going to have a fleet review day over on the facebook group.  A good opportunity to show the game some love by grabbing your fleet and posting some pics

https://www.facebook.com/events/1900958580188627/
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General Discussion / Re: Facebook Group
« Last post by HoratioHaggisblower on March 24, 2017, 01:29:16 PM »
We're holding our first annual Fleet Review Day on 1st April 2017

https://www.facebook.com/events/1900958580188627/

Take some pics of your fleet and post them
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General Discussion / Re: Tactical Repercussions of Leviathan Warfare
« Last post by Jim1701 on March 03, 2017, 02:19:27 PM »
As to type 3's and 4's I think the first evolution in the next generation of design is to give them a better all around firepower and armor.  The weakness of the larger ship types to attack from the rear is something that no competent shipwright could fail to notice. 

Also, in games where I use a type 3 or 4 (especially British) I'll turn to present my broadside on the first turn in most cases.  The smaller ships don't have the range to duke it out and will close to get in my rear no matter what I do so why make it easier for them?  A decent escort that you have to be willing to sacrifce for the greater good and remember to keep turning to keep your aft away from the bastards as long as possible is also helpful.   ;)

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General Discussion / Re: Tactical Repercussions of Leviathan Warfare
« Last post by Metalcallous on February 22, 2017, 09:12:39 AM »
On another thought experiment/random musings, I've considered our statements of Type 1s as the evolution of lev warfare. I do not think the Type 3 and 4s would become obsolete though, they would however evolve differently that from the battleships of wet navies. Naval ships developed into the all big gun battleship layout - wherein they'd let go of secondary guns and would focus on mounting turreted primaries that have good range and accuracy. This pushed naval warfare into the characteristic long ranged line engagements.

With the previously mentioned nature of lev warfare, where speed is necessary and short ranges are the norm, the pre-dreadnaught era battleship layouts are still relevant. Use of armor and keeping the secondary and even tertiary guns via casemates or turrets will allow the Type 3s and Type 4s to be in the thick of the melee. It'll need their big primaries to square off against other Types 4s or 3s, but it'll need its secondaries and tertiary batteries to stave off smaller levs or even mutilate those who are unlucky enough to get close to their broadsides. Armored Cruiser types or "Armored" Leviathans can be the next step in their evolution. On another path, which also seems reasonable is the French idea of faster and more agile Types 3 and 4s which will allow them to outmaneuver other levs of the same class in a contest of broadsides - or be able to chase down smaller levs when need be.

On another path could be the ones seemingly advocated by the Germans, of gunnery and accuracy. Theirs seem to be the closest to real life naval progression, but they will need to compensate for when enemies get close against their big gun doctrine. If I remember correctly, they are advocating big guns and heavy armor - more so than the Brits.

A surprise idea which seems impossible to think in real life but makes sense in the universe thanks to the technology is taken up by the Austria-Hungarians... yes, Ramming. To turn your ships into giant torpedoes is more plausible when you move at such speeds and fight at such short distances.

Do you guys wonder of other doctrines or tactics that could develop?
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General Discussion / Re: Vassal Module?
« Last post by Metalcallous on February 22, 2017, 08:46:02 AM »
Hi there FlyingFisher, I'm relatively fresh to Vassal as well. I've recently discovered it to play some obscure solitaire boardgames (B-17 Queen of the Skies, Solitaire Ceasar). As far as I recall, there were musings of a ported Leviathan videogame, and the initial screens made it look like it was from Vassal. I've even seen past Play-by-forums here whose pics looked like they were borne from Vassal, but I'm not sure it was. Go check out http://forums.monstersinthesky.com/community-challenges-and-gatherings/fleetbase-sahara/


I'm tempted to study Vassal to create such a module, though I have zero experience with the thing. Do tell me if you're interested in making one  =|9)
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General Discussion / Re: Facebook Group
« Last post by Metalcallous on February 22, 2017, 08:34:15 AM »
When you start to miss the smell of steam and diesel punk, you know this game will draw you back in. Count me in  :{
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General Discussion / Vassal Module?
« Last post by FlyingFisher on January 17, 2017, 08:59:37 PM »
I'm very, very new to Vassal and was wondering if anyone here knows of a Leviathans module? Thanks in advance. Lets hope this is the year for Leviathans!
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Quite good.

Eager to read more of this.
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21st of January, 1913
The Admiralty, London.
The 15th Convention of Royal Skyfleet Command

"Right, Agenda Item No.5: Annual Squadron Performance review" announced 3rd Sky-Lord Admiral Percy Scott over the wood paneled room being used by the RSF Command
There was still a large amount of chatter and gossip in the room, Scott actually began to think whether these old salts actually listened to him.
"Enough! Silence, Shush, etcetera" Bellowed Scott.
The speaking stopped and the remaining people in the room turned to look at Scott.
"As we know, it is pivotal each year to review the current Squadrons of this fine establishment, each with their own commanders here in person." informed Scott, as he walked up and down the room
The room nodded in approval
"Now, Who'd like to go first?"
Admiral Fisher stood up and presented some paperwork and files to Scott, who then proceeded to read through them.
"Gentlemen, the french threat here in home skies is well under control, it seems like Les Cignoges have been actually tamed by our lads, seeing the fact just yesterday did HML Singapore deal with a Frog Destroyer near
Margate, which has actually got me thinking that the frogs are either A, Worried about the Huns trying to take more territory, or B, the frogs are bending to see reason and are starting to agree on the Salisbury doctrine."

There was then an applause as Fisher sat down, followed by Scott's Nodding approval.
"Very good Fisher, If I do say myself, now then, Who's next?"
Soon enough, every single officer had gone and spoke about the great feats their squadrons had gone and done in the name of the King, then Scott looked to the back corner of the room, at one very nervous Sky-Commodore of one of the lesser, minor squadrons of the Sky-Fleet, the East Pacific Squadron.
"Sky-Commodore Williams, You haven't uttered a word the entirety of the Convention, anything for your Sqaudron? I'm sure you have something to say."
"N....n...No, Sir. Nothing to report."
Fisher turned to look at Williams with a disapproving look in his eyes.
"Oh come on, Williams, it's not like the entirety of the East-Pacific squadron has nothing worth speaking about?"
I...I'm Pretty S...Sure of it Sir."Replied the very nervous and Jittery Williams
Admiral Hood Interrupted Williams
"I say, Williams, What of that Sky-Lieutenant..What was him name..., Care to Jog my Memory Mr.Williams?"
"T..Th..There are Many Sky-Lieutenants in the Pacific Squadron Sir.."
"RedHousen, I believe?" Suggested Pendergast, and Elderley Admiral who had seen the Pacific squadron before.
Williams worse fear had became true, the Mentioning of that name.
"Y...Y..Yes Sir, What of Him?"
"What has become of him and that floating pile of scrap, The Answeller?"
W..Well Sir, He's still in command of Answeller and I've put him on patrol near Tsushima..."
There was then a outbreak of laughter from across the room
"Tshushima? Ha! That RedHousen couldn't even manage the Channel Islands let alone Tshushima!"
Sky-Commodore Williams sank into his seat, in embarrassment.
The Laughing ceased, Sky-Admiral Scott cleared his throat and turned to Williams
"Mr.Williams, In all seriousness, I believe you need to recall Answeller, before RedHousen Ends up downing another Japanese Lev again, Remember last time?"
Williams could very thoroughly remember it, all across the morning papers last year, the Headlines read:

DOES THE SKYFLEET KNOW WHO THEY'RE SHOOTING AT? JAPANESE CRUISER IZUMI DOWNED BY D-CLASS ANSWELLER!

"Y..Yes Sir, I will recall RedHousen once I have preformed an initial combat readiness assessment on him and his Ship."
"Damn the Combat Assessment Williams, Get him recalled before he sours our relations with the Emperor any further!"Replied Scott in a Very Stern tone.
And so, the meeting went on...

The Tshushima Strait.
23rd of January
HML Answeller

"Sir! I don't think she'll take it!" Bellowed the Chief Engineer's mate, decks below in the Engine room of the Answeller, The Answeller was performing maneuvers at high speed, and Her Commander, Sky-Lieutenant Lawrence T. RedHousen had thrown the Sky-Commander's Regulation manual out of the window, (Quite literally too), Answeller was in the middle of her 4th Broach turn, RedHousen was aiming to break the record of Six.
"She'll take it Engines! If she can take a 275mm Shell, then she can take a series of Broach turns!"
RedHousen continued to spin the Lee-Helm Hard over Port, Then Hard over Starboard, each making a broach turn, also in turn, throwing the Bridge crew around like a cork
"Sir! The Forward Port Trim tank's gone! We'll lose E-Charge if you keep throwing her around like this!" warned the Chief Engineer, with panic in his voice
RedHousen could hear the Answeller groaning and the rivets jumping around in their mounts, he could seen the glass in the bridge windows vibrate and the compass shaking wildly.
"One More! Come on Answeller Old Girl, Hold up till now you beautiful old beast!"shouted RedHousen as spun the Lee Helm over to Port for one last time, the Answeller responded and came around quick.
There was then a terrible sound of crushed metal then a metallic ping, RedHousen was not concerned and then realized he had done it, he settled the helm down to the neutral.
"We've done it! Six Broach turns consecutively!" RedHousen said in a Joyful tone.
"Engines Ahead Standard, Crew return to cruising stations."Announced the 1st Lieutenant, who put down the Intercom mic with a sharp click.
RedHousen went over to the Port Bridge wing door and walked out, and looked athwartships, and then saw what produced that terrible noise.
A chunk of the raised Engine room housing had came lose and pinged off.
"Oops" RedHousen said under his breath, and went back inside.
"Sir, I don't think you know how dangerous that was! Six Broach turns, we were lucky to make two without snapping into two!" The 1st Lieutenant said in a Patronizing tone.
RedHousen was being Ignorant, as he descended the ladder towards his Cabin
"I know Number One, It was careless of me to do such a thing blah blah blah, Sky-Commodore Williams wouldn't approve of my actions Blah, Blah, Blah." RedHousen said in a Mocking tone, aimed at the 1st Lieutenant.
"But sir! It's Imperative we come into dock and get repaired, or we'll be at risk of falling out of the sky!" The 1st Lieutenant added.
"Look Number one, I'm tired, you're tired, we're all tired, Now, leave me alone and be a good chap and ask my steward to fetch me a brew, I'm thirsty. RedHousen replied, before shutting his cabin door.
RedHousen was finally happy, knowing full-well his leave was coming up soon, 4 Weeks of undisturbed leave, at home, back in Rye, with his wife and his son, as he sat down, he threw his cap at his hat-peg, in a Frisbee action landing it on top, RedHousen then turned to his post on his desk, which had spilled everywhere due to his brash maneuvers.
He began to go through his post, Bills, Sailing Orders, Current affairs, Another copy of the Sky-Commander's Regulation manual and a letter from home.
As he opened the letter he read it

Dear Lawrence, Be aware to when you return on leave, your mother-in-law has come over to stay with us and so has your brother, be nice and don't nearly Kill Edward this time.
Your loving and caring wife
Miriam

RedHousen turned up his nose in disgust, and Binned the letter.
There was a knock on the door, as he opened it, His Steward, Airman Napier came through with his Tea.
"Thank you Mr. Napier, punctual as always."
Napier Nodded and left the room.
RedHousen popped his head out of the door, "Do you live in a Bleeding Barn Mr. Napier!? Close the door!"
The Steward rushed back, made his apologies and closed the door.
RedHousen then settled in to his paper, drinking his tea as he went, reading the sports section. RedHousen was quite contempt with his situation, you could say the Sky-Lieutenant had not a care in the world to what had happened.

As He Settled down for the Night, he went up on to the bridge and saw the 2nd Watch officer at his work, an old skyrider, who had spent many years on board the 2nd Iteration of HML Leviathan
"How is the Watch Mr. Huller?"
The Old Skyrider cleared his throat, still looking through his binoculars.
"Good Sah, I could I've had a quiter watch on HML Medusa, of course, It was the 11th of November, 1902, and I was on watch that night...."
"Save the story for boys back at Whale Island, Mr.Huller." Interrupted RedHousen
"Of course Sah." Replied the 2nd Watch officer.

All was peaceful aboard HML Answeller, or so RedHousen thought, unaware of what the Admiralty had decided only days earlier.

The next morning was peaceful as it ever was, the Sky a warm red colour and RedHousen had just started to wake up, but as he began dozing back to sleep...
"Sky-Lieutenant RedHousen to the Bridge."
RedHousen picked himself up out of bed, donned his uniform jacket and trousers, put on his hat and proceeded to the Bridge ladder. As he got to the top, the 1st Lieutenant looked at him nervously.
"What's the Issue, Number one? Seen a Ghost Leviathan again?" inquired RedHousen.
"No Sir..Much different."
The 1st Lieutenant pointed out of the window, RedHousen looked and saw what he was pointing at.
It was an Armoured Cruiser, HML Drake to be precise.
"That's Commodore Williams Lev, What's he doing here so early back?"
"I have no idea sir..must be important.."
There was a crackle of Radio static followed by the Commodore's voice.
"Answeller, Answeller, Answeller, This is Drake, Permission to come alongside,"
RedHousen picked up the Mic and replied in a stern tone.
"This is Answeller, Permission granted.."

TO BE CONTINUED! WHAT DOES THE COMMODORE WANT WITH REDHOUSEN? WHAT WILL BECOME OF ANSWELLER? STAY TUNED FOR MORE ANSWELLER ANTICS!
[NB: This is my little Novella style story following a Sky-Lieutenant Named after me, who has Jack Sparrowesque ways of commading his aging D-Class Destroyer Answeller, I'll try and Publish these regularly, So, Leviathans Community, What do we think?]
P.S. Looking for other crew members to be included, Let me know if you want to be featured!

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