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Nightmoss

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Re: Leviathans changing the face of warfare
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2012, 11:58:26 AM »
If the entire 'aether' is somewhat comparable to the oceans and the game already has ship to ship torpedo launching why wouldn't they also develop ground to air torpedo's?   I suppose there's the expense of said torpedo's being much higher than artillery, but for critical strategic targets cost would not be an issue.   

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Re: Leviathans changing the face of warfare
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2012, 02:14:16 PM »
Think about this: How much armor is a Lev going to have on it's keel? Not a lot. Ships have their keels broken by a torpedo exploding under them, so taking a 16' shell from below is not going to be a good thing for any Lev.
Water transmits force much better than air does, so the torpedo analogy isn't apt in this case.  As for the shell, it's going to lose a significant amount of kinetic energy on the way up, so it wouldn't do as much damage to a Lev as it would something on the ground (the shell would get energy back by falling).
I do agree with you on airplanes.

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Re: Leviathans changing the face of warfare
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2012, 02:37:30 PM »
Torpedoes have a limited flight capability.  I'm not sure a ground based torpedo would work or not.  Though Goddard will be starting his rocketry experiments soon.  It would be decades before a rocket engine big enough for a Lev would be feasible but a torpedo...?  Hmmm...

I'm still not sure that Levs would change much in the way WWI was fought (assuming it is fought at all.)  As I said before, the tactics of WWI were the result of too many technological innovations occurring that changed the nature of the battlefield in ways that the military minds of the time could not cope with (not right away anyway.)  Throwing yet another technological innovation into the mix is not going to suddenly make them come up with brilliant ideas out of the box. 

I'm thinking though that Levs would prevent WWI from occurring in the first place.  Levs would be like the nuclear bomb of this universe.  Everyone important has them but no one would want to use them to their full effect.  It would be like the Cold War starting 40 years early.  That wouldn't mean there wouldn't be lots of fighting, it just would be "limited warfare" out on the edges where things wouldn't get too out of control. 

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Re: Leviathans changing the face of warfare
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2012, 01:19:38 AM »
While there might still be a place for kites, if the levs world developed into WW1, they are cheap and can scout, but few planes in WW1 had much bomb capacity and fewer had the ability to climb rapidly at high altitudes.  I am still waiting to see what top operational ceiling is on these things, I thought that the documentation stated that it was limited by the voltage generated, but I believe that it took fighters hours to get up to the levels of the better zeppelins, if they could make it at all.  Forced induction for piston engines wasn't common until WWII and that is really what gave them the ability to perform at altitude.  As far as AA guns, some research into the heavy AA guns of WW1 might be necessary, I don't think they got much beyond the 6".  The issue with more common existing ground based 16" guns is that they would be naval rifles and used like they were at sea, you really wouldn't want to shoot one straight up.  If mounted on a railway carriage, you'd never get a sufficient recoil pit underneath it.  A battery of permanent ones would be expensive, require a huge crew and support installation, and be a really easy target.  Their rate of fire and ability to engage multiple targets would be sort of limited and, well, they wouldn't be able to move, making them a tempting target once you achieve high enough flight, or you just go around them, like Maginot.   I still think that the best lev defense is another lev.  On the troop transport front, I have been envisioning, assuming the electric lev material doesn't need to be recycled, something along the lines of the WW2 APD conversions of destroyers, some armament and or some boiler room space was removed to provide space to rapidly insert ground troops to a situation.  I also think that it is a bit naive to think that a lev would be armored like a ship because it looks like one, I can't imagine that they would not have armor on their undersides.     

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Re: Leviathans changing the face of warfare
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2012, 05:32:35 AM »
It would be like the Cold War starting 40 years early.  That wouldn't mean there wouldn't be lots of fighting, it just would be "limited warfare" out on the edges where things wouldn't get too out of control.

Unfortunately, the area most likely to break out in fighting in the early 20th century is the Balkans, and that is neither out on the edges nor unlikely to get out of control.  :(

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