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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2011, 05:16:02 PM »
Actually, I did some looking up of see-bound cargo ships of the era to see what they generally looked like, and I found that most are generally armed because of constant piracy in inhospitable waters. So, most water ships are far from unarmed. They still can't hope to put up a real fight against a well-armed, determined enemy. However, it is generally enough to scare away anyone who isn't prepared.


As for crew, I imagine that the sky fleets see their share of trained men quitting or getting canned in onesies and twosies. Not all pirate crews defect en masse. In fact, it's possible that some crime syndicates have access to trained personnel from all walks of life manning ships they managed to get ahold of one way or another.

If piracy is common, it's possible to see hiring halls for pirate ships looking to replace lost crew members. It's also possible to have someone keeping track of who comes and goes from a country's sky fleet, coming up to 'retired' members and offering them a chance to sail again. A great deal of crime is all about spying.

Piracy has generally been less about wealth and more about freedom and doing what you love but under no man's iron fist. For, most, that would be sailing the skies and taking jobs that they prefer. (The crew of Serenity in Firefly are effectively pirates for this reason.) Back in the golden age of piracy, more raids were about what was immediately needed and not about wealth. With the industrial revolution, I can imagine this changing to some degree, but not entirely.

I remember hearing or reading about a story where one pirate guy got paid a huge frigging diamond. Everybody else got lots of little ones. Incensed, he had it broken apart because he saw everyone else with more diamonds. The big rock alone was worth far more than any handful of the smaller ones.

What's sad is that even with training and specialization, the vast majority of people of the early 1900s were still as uneducated as those in the 16, 17, or 1800s.  So, I can imagine history repeating itself.
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2011, 05:25:52 PM »
Actually, I did some looking up of see-bound cargo ships of the era to see what they generally looked like, and I found that most are generally armed because of constant piracy in inhospitable waters. So, most water ships are far from unarmed. They still can't hope to put up a real fight against a well-armed, determined enemy. However, it is generally enough to scare away anyone who isn't prepared.

most cargo ships of the time were armed with 3" guns and some machine guns.

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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2011, 05:54:01 PM »
Japanese: Shogunate fans? just kidding. no idea.

I've been thinking about this one, and I'm wondering if there might be some friction between the military and government. In our time this didn't happen until the late 20s and early thirties I believe, but with their defeat in the Russo-Japanese War in the Leviathans timeline, I could see problems with the militants rising earlier.

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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2011, 07:10:47 PM »
During WWII the Japanese Army and Navy were head butting quite a bit for the overall war plan. Government gave the power from the army to the navy.

I wonder if in the Leviathan universe though the dates are far from WWII, if their will be some head butting between air, sea and land.

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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2011, 08:02:16 PM »
United States: no idea. Philippines inhabitants?

Flyover country will rise again! ;D

Actually, that does give me an idea. While it's practically ancient history to many people these days, in 1910 the Civil War was very much still in living memory, with plenty of veterans of both sides still around to tell stories, and that generation's children getting to the age where members could easily be in command or even flag ranks. A Lev coerced by such individuals could easily hide in the wilds of the US and make quite a nuisance of itself. If it had help on the inside from an officer or bureaucrat arranging for supplies to 'fall off trucks', it could last for quite a while too. Best of all, the war's end is still recent enough that these folks could be motivated purely by political reasons or their honor as southern gentlemen, so writers can include them without any thorny racism issues sticking their noses into it.
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« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2011, 05:43:45 PM »
Actually, I did some looking up of see-bound cargo ships of the era to see what they generally looked like, and I found that most are generally armed because of constant piracy in inhospitable waters. So, most water ships are far from unarmed. They still can't hope to put up a real fight against a well-armed, determined enemy. However, it is generally enough to scare away anyone who isn't prepared.


As for crew, I imagine that the sky fleets see their share of trained men quitting or getting canned in onesies and twosies. Not all pirate crews defect en masse. In fact, it's possible that some crime syndicates have access to trained personnel from all walks of life manning ships they managed to get ahold of one way or another.

If piracy is common, it's possible to see hiring halls for pirate ships looking to replace lost crew members. It's also possible to have someone keeping track of who comes and goes from a country's sky fleet, coming up to 'retired' members and offering them a chance to sail again. A great deal of crime is all about spying.

Piracy has generally been less about wealth and more about freedom and doing what you love but under no man's iron fist. For, most, that would be sailing the skies and taking jobs that they prefer. (The crew of Serenity in Firefly are effectively pirates for this reason.) Back in the golden age of piracy, more raids were about what was immediately needed and not about wealth. With the industrial revolution, I can imagine this changing to some degree, but not entirely.

I remember hearing or reading about a story where one pirate guy got paid a huge frigging diamond. Everybody else got lots of little ones. Incensed, he had it broken apart because he saw everyone else with more diamonds. The big rock alone was worth far more than any handful of the smaller ones.

What's sad is that even with training and specialization, the vast majority of people of the early 1900s were still as uneducated as those in the 16, 17, or 1800s.  So, I can imagine history repeating itself.

Oh god this. Quoted for massive agreeance. Also, who has to say the pirates are enemies to everyone. During the golden age of piracy, most 'pirates' where actually paid and rewarded privateers. The reason governments looked them over was because it was USEFUL to have a disposable asset attacking your country's enemies and being able to deny any tie to them. Just let the 'pirate' keep his spoils and maybe reward him with some land for taking out ships hailing from enemy lands, maybe look over him attacking one or two of your own ships if the 'rats been behaving for the most part. to keep them civil.

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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2011, 07:53:10 AM »
This got me thinking on an equally cool front.  Mercenary armies.  I am totally gonna paint up a MSF (Militaires Sans Frontières)  fleet (maybe when the timeline progresses a bit).  But yeh later on in the fiction when Leviathans become the standard rather than the State of the Art I think Mercenaries and pirates would be a viable option and would make compaigns even more fun.


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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2011, 10:38:20 AM »
I'm wondering if (and WorkTroll, this will probably be something you can answer) seeing as Leviathans is released under Creative Commons (or is it just the fiction part?) Would it be possible for fans of the game who know the ships and what they can carry to then build their own pirate fleet?  Sure, they'd have to placehold the pirate ships with minis from another faction, but wouldn't that be realistic since they'd have probably stolen those ships in the first place and rejiggered the guns, etc to suit their own needs? 
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2011, 11:40:20 AM »
I'm wondering if (and WorkTroll, this will probably be something you can answer) seeing as Leviathans is released under Creative Commons (or is it just the fiction part?) Would it be possible for fans of the game who know the ships and what they can carry to then build their own pirate fleet?  Sure, they'd have to placehold the pirate ships with minis from another faction, but wouldn't that be realistic since they'd have probably stolen those ships in the first place and rejiggered the guns, etc to suit their own needs? 

I believe that it was brought up at some point on another thread somewhere that later there will be a way to create your own cards for Levs later down the line (like, after the core box and several- eight- fleets are already mingling in the wild). It's an interesting concept and I look forward to using it to create some custom ships myself.

In the meantime, I've been using the existing Lev stat cards from the downloadable content to try out test scenarios with smaller faster (possibly easier to mutiny on) ships taking on the Class 2-3 Levs with a small entourage. So far, the ability to take down the bigger Levs has been successful if you assume the goal of the smaller privateer vessels is to get the thing dead in the water, or at least unable to maneuver away.
Thoughts?

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2011, 05:52:05 PM »
I'm wondering if (and WorkTroll, this will probably be something you can answer) seeing as Leviathans is released under Creative Commons (or is it just the fiction part?) Would it be possible for fans of the game who know the ships and what they can carry to then build their own pirate fleet?  Sure, they'd have to placehold the pirate ships with minis from another faction, but wouldn't that be realistic since they'd have probably stolen those ships in the first place and rejiggered the guns, etc to suit their own needs? 

I believe that it was brought up at some point on another thread somewhere that later there will be a way to create your own cards for Levs later down the line (like, after the core box and several- eight- fleets are already mingling in the wild). It's an interesting concept and I look forward to using it to create some custom ships myself.

In the meantime, I've been using the existing Lev stat cards from the downloadable content to try out test scenarios with smaller faster (possibly easier to mutiny on) ships taking on the Class 2-3 Levs with a small entourage. So far, the ability to take down the bigger Levs has been successful if you assume the goal of the smaller privateer vessels is to get the thing dead in the water, or at least unable to maneuver away.
Thoughts?

Im currently using my small  fleet I got and redoing my paint job as well as a few cosmetic tweaks to create my own pirate armada. I feel like it would be fine to have them look the way i want them to but maintain original stats, until an official stat builder is made. seems like some people want this to stay as historically accurate as possible. but I'm in the air force now and i have yet to see a battleship fly so my pirate armada will be born!
 An interesting idea would be that cross country ships can be played as a fleet but piratized. meaning a japanese dutch german and english ships and stats are used to build a fleet and fly under one flag. but i suppose you would have to worry about making a super fleet.

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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2011, 08:09:59 PM »
For your own purposes, and enjoyment, there are no restrictions. Yes there will be a historical canon timeline, but your own games will always be your games, and I personally find the idea of Air Pirates of the Andes absolutely irresistable - can't you just imagine the pirate base at Machu Pichu, the drastically lightened ships required to seek such high-altitude lairs; a dusky and passionate Queen of the Air Pirates, complete with corsetry ...  It may not be canon, but I could easily imagine some in-universe threepenny novel series on that premis ;)

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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2011, 10:09:03 PM »
I approve. 8)
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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2011, 10:21:32 PM »
I *did* just get a waist cincher at the con as a part of my future Levs costume :)  I'm very much looking forward to finishing it up....the jacket will be the most expensive part and probably the last bit to be added.
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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2012, 04:21:58 AM »
A little bit of necro-posting to see fi there is any life still in the board, also, because I still want this.  :{