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Air Pirates?
« on: July 04, 2011, 11:16:48 AM »
Now, I know we're gonna have the major powers, and that's good and all. (I'll probably play UK/US) But as a steampunk enthusiast I have but one question for all of you: Will we be seeing a minor power faction of Pirates who have stolen/mutinied from other powers for the ships they have?

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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2011, 05:08:55 PM »
Now, I know we're gonna have the major powers, and that's good and all. (I'll probably play UK/US) But as a steampunk enthusiast I have but one question for all of you: Will we be seeing a minor power faction of Pirates who have stolen/mutinied from other powers for the ships they have?

the answer is yes, as how it will play out, don't know, someone asked this question over a year ago and Randall said yeah, too laszy to find it and ate too much and drank too much.

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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2011, 06:55:07 PM »
You mean the Australian Federation?  ;D

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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2011, 11:36:51 PM »
Sorry to see that I'm late to the party, but great to hear! I'll gladly play UK/US until I can defect >:D

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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2011, 12:22:20 AM »
Sorry to see that I'm late to the party, but great to hear! I'll gladly play UK/US until I can defect >:D

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until the box set comes out, then you are those kids who go to prom and sit at the wall.  ;D

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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2011, 11:29:02 AM »
I know I asked about it, because I'm interested in running a small underdog fleet or ship. :D

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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2011, 01:49:52 PM »
I will support air pirates. They'll make good targets for gunnery practice.

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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2011, 02:18:16 PM »
If you have Air Pirates you must have a viable set of boarding rules not to mention a line of merchant Levs.    After all pirates are pirates for monetary gain. 

Unless I am really understanding things incorrectly, isn't Electroid difficult enough to manufacture that it is relatively scarce?  If so, wouldn't that make a practical aerial merchant fleet less than likely?  Of course if a large aerial merchant fleet can be supported within the world setting, I would be very happy.  Even without pirates, the addition of merchantmen adds a wealth of scenario possibilities.


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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2011, 02:50:49 PM »
You could also make it so that they have grape or something highly anti-personell (like in olden times when they wanted to capture ships), or, if they can get a ship to land/everyone to abandon ship, they can board and take the electoid. I'd be interested in prototype flying fortresses/cities though. Had an idea way back for a kind of flying Tourtorga, where the black market thrives.

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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2011, 07:37:19 PM »
In 1910 (in the Levs timeline, of course) electroid is relatively hard to produce, so 99% of bulk goods are transported by sea or rail. So in that context, you're not really talking about boarding the way it's being used above - it's more like "fire shots until they stop moving, then lower men on ropes to the deck to take command" situation.

(Oh, and while it's not possible to mount guns on turrets underneath a Leviathan, there's nothing stopping anyone from opening hatches and tying a Maxim gun on a tripod down so it can fire out under a lev. The recoil issues are of a different level. Just we aren't including the infantry-weapon loadouts in the game yet. And yes, I want eventually to play Highlanders taking on the Mad Mullah's men, or Prussian forces fighting fuzzie-wuzzies in Neu Guinea, all with Leviathan support ... Randall, stop sighing!)

So think of an "air pirate" having the ultimate getaway car ... unless regular sky navy forces are in the vicinity. Air pirates also have issues with supplies of ammo, spare parts and electroid. I assume some of you have already considered how to get such things as needed ...

W.

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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2011, 05:44:55 PM »
I'm not a fan of the idea, but I can see some room for Lev-traveling pirates in the setting. Without  boarding actions

First of all, we must answer the question: "Who are Sky Pirates?" They are criminals using Leviathans as tools of violence and robbery. So, they have to now how to pilot and maintain Leviathan. Here we have 3 options:

1) Piloting Leviathan is a piece of cake. Almost everybody can do it;
2) Piloting Leviathan is almost exactly like steering a ship;
3) Special training is required to pilot Leviathan;

Personally, I'm 3rd option's fan. However, option 2 is worth consideration. Lt. Daniel Chandler, gunnery officer of HML Leviathan, [see: "He who Merits it" - part 1, written by Steven Mohan Jr., published in Lieutenant's Manual] before joining the crew was a sailor on a naval ship. On the other hand, we do not know if he had to be previously trained to command Lev's gunnery fire properly. There is also Lt. Commander Christopher Fermoy, current commander of HML Hertfordshire and ex-captain of HMS Vengeance. In this case however, he had a leviathan training on Whale Island [see HMS Hertfordshire card in Lieutenant's Manual] which can be considered as confirmation of option 3. Oh, and option 1 is just stupid.

So, Sky Pirates are trained Airmen. And they have their own Leviathan. But how they got one? It's hard to steal a Lev. She rarely lands, and even than she's well guarded in one of military bases. She has numerous crew. I just can't imagine stealing an airship by anybody but her crew.

Summing up, Sky Pirates are airmen who defected and stole their airship. But what is their goal?

They want to be rich. And no, they don't attack other Leviathans. It is not the way to be rich, it's the way to be dead. Leviathans are military machines crewed by soliders. And they usually don't transport anything valuable. The real targets of sky piracy are armless surface ships with valuable cargo. Worktroll described how the attack looks like. IMHO Sky Pirates may also attack isolated settlements to get food supplies etc.

Another question: How they are able to gain electroid and other hard-to-get stuff needed to operate a Lev?
Air pirates also have issues with supplies of ammo, spare parts and electroid. I assume some of you have already considered how to get such things as needed ...
If I'm getting it right, You suggest that Sky Pirates attacks other Levs in order to get electroid, ammo and some precious spare parts. I disagree with you. Attacking warmachine can only results in further damage, electroid leaks, ammo loss plus a few dead pirates. Not worth risking. They may get the stuff in other way. that means Sky Pirates are highly dependent on black marketeers. Probably the most powerful crime organisation involved in illegal goods trading is Italian mafia.

SUMMARY
Sky Pirates are mostly defected Airmen who have stolen their leviathans. They attack mostly sea transports. They avoid aerial battles. They buy electroid, ammunition and spare parts on the black market.
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2011, 07:21:37 PM »
I've always imagined pirates in this time were  a bunch of Anarchists/Anti-Statists  from around the globe working togethers, blaming their nation's governments for world war and sending people off to die.

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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2011, 08:26:29 PM »
If I'm getting it right, You suggest that Sky Pirates attacks other Levs in order to get electroid, ammo and some precious spare parts.

One partial error in an otherwise excellent analysis. There are other places where stored of electroid and spare parts can be found. Of course, while the reward in terms of these things is great, the risk is proportionally higher ...

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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2011, 12:00:29 AM »
Thanks for shooting this down Pik. I know it's not completely REASONABLE, or even LOGICAL, but there's a point where you just have to throw those away and just look at how cool it would be to see a rogue Lev, or even a privateer lev, battling against their home faction for what ever reason drove them to mutiny and steal the ship in the first place. It doesn't have to always be about money, fame, or hate. It could be about trying to right a wrong you see in your home government, of trying to show the people the true tyrany of the navies and the governments.

Also, they are bloody sky SHIPS. If you have ships, you gotta have pirates.

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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2011, 05:53:53 AM »
Thanks for shooting this down Pik. I know it's not completely REASONABLE, or even LOGICAL, but there's a point where you just have to throw those away and just look at how cool it would be to see a rogue Lev, or even a privateer lev, battling against their home faction for what ever reason drove them to mutiny and steal the ship in the first place. It doesn't have to always be about money, fame, or hate. It could be about trying to right a wrong you see in your home government, of trying to show the people the true tyrany of the navies and the governments.

Also, they are bloody sky SHIPS. If you have ships, you gotta have pirates.
In this system Rule of awesome < Rule of realism (Only exception is existence of almost-magical electroid). But fear not, Pirate fan! Aerial battles with sky Pirates IMHO do occur, but they are not the ones who attack - they have little interest in that. That's countries' airfleets which seek combat. That way, they can kill the traitors AND protect important sea ways at the same time.

Also, I don't negate that some Sky Pirates fight for the greater cause. They simply need founds and supplies to do so. They have to attack transport ships, and they have to deal with black marketeers and crime lords.

And even if some Sky Pirates do want to fight governments and their military powers, keep in mind that there are lots of military targets easier and safer to attack than fully operational leviathan, i.e. troop garrison, or naval warship.

I've always imagined pirates in this time were  a bunch of Anarchists/Anti-Statists  from around the globe working togethers, blaming their nation's governments for world war and sending people off to die.
IMHO in that time national separatists' and socialists'/communists' ideologies were much more popular than anarchist's ones. Here are some examples of groups and nations interested in weakening the governments:

United Kingdom: Irish, Indians, Many African and Asian tribes and nations
Republic of France: Africans, communists, people of Indochina peninsula
Germany: Poles
Italy: ...Africans? no other ideas.
United States: no idea. Philippines inhabitants?
Japanese: Shogunate fans? just kidding. no idea.
Austro-Hungarian Empire: lots of Balkan and Central Europe nations.
Russia: communists, Poles

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