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Dystopian Wars, anyone?
« on: December 04, 2010, 07:43:31 PM »
Has anyone here seen Dystopian Wars, by Spartan Games?  I've been following that game, and through their forums, heard about this game, Leviathans.  They both look like they have a lot in common, at least superficially.  Both have really cool models, and are miniature wargames in a similar-but-different world from our own, where big flying fortresses rule the skies.  I was very stoked to hear Leviathans will be 1/1200 (last I read, anyway), as that scale is the same one as DW.

Dystopian Wars was just released (late November), and my starter sets and rules are on their way.  It looks like we have a bit more of a wait for Leviathan.

Leviathan also looks very cool, and without knowing anything about the rules, I already like that it's hex-based, and that the minis will be plastic (thank you, thank you!  Sooo much easier to store!) and pre-painted.  DW is not hex based (rulers, very fiddly), but the rules are simple and the games of Uncharted Seas (similar rules, same company) I've played have been nice and straightforward.   DW also includes a land and naval element, so it's not just giant airships.  I haven't yet figured out if Leviathan will incorporate land and sea elements yet, but I'm new here.

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Re: Dystopian Wars, anyone?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2010, 12:13:53 AM »
Yup.

Bought the rules and a Japanese fleet.

Minis are nice, but over done with the theme.

The rules were terribly written, dull and offered very little from their other games. Same game with a few tweaks.

Also don't like some ships are naval, some ships fly, some ships can go on land (a bit more understandable).

The logic escapes me. Why have a game focused on such a wide variety of aspects?


Love the minis, but the rules are terrible and not all that original.

Shame I was looking forward to it as well.

Wish the minis came prepainted so I could buy more of them.


EDIT: I was on the forum once over there and posted a bit of criticism (1 time) and it seems like people take strong offense to any opposing views of their love child. 

Fine and dandy to post counter view points but to the degree they took offense was odd.

Complaining about complaining is still complaining.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2010, 12:18:04 AM by Toolian »

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Re: Dystopian Wars, anyone?
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2010, 06:39:59 PM »
I flipped through a couple of Spartan Games books, but was really not impressed. It looks like they've basically got one system with different "flavors" of model available.

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Re: Dystopian Wars, anyone?
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2010, 09:38:26 PM »
I flipped through a couple of Spartan Games books, but was really not impressed. It looks like they've basically got one system with different "flavors" of model available.

Basically. There are just a few differences just to give them a few differences, but the game engine is the same.

I do prefer me hex games more than free play. But will still play them. 

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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2010, 01:13:06 AM »
That's disappointing to hear because as excited as I am about Leviathans, I was hoping Dystopian Wars would tide me over until then.  I was planning on buying a Japanese fleet as well.  However, judging by the "fluff" that I've read they don't have any fact checkers on their staff or they would've chosen names for ship classes more consistent with the Japanese navy.  Also, I'm a little surprised they have an Empress on the throne.  I want to hear the explanation for that.  Japan has had a few Empresses but late Tokugawa/early Meiji Japan was definitely a man's world.

The local gaming store is really pushing Spartan Games so the last couple of weeks have been Uncharted Seas and Firestorm Armada.  Nothing excited me about those themes, but I figured the gaming system would be the same.  Somehow I assumed that with all of those releases they would have a solid set of core rules.


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Re: Dystopian Wars, anyone?
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2010, 02:39:57 AM »
Minis are great, topnotch and cheap. I love the Orc ships, bought them because they remind me of my War Craft II days back in the 90s.

Rule books are a bit confusing, but very colorful. One of the major complaints about the rules is the immediate need for an FAQ. If there is one needed on day, some people did not do their job right.

If you are looking for fluff in Spartan Games, don't expect much. Very little is done. Understand it is a gaming company, but one of the attractions of miniature gaming is fluff. 

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Re: Dystopian Wars, anyone?
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2010, 10:26:17 PM »
Okay, I don't want to sound like sour grapes here, but the aesthetics of the different nationalities are a little ... different.

Not sure which nation fields the flying warships that look like armoured steam locomotives with vectored thrust fans along the sides; looks great, but ... ;) And as for building things on top of zeppelins ...

W.

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Re: Dystopian Wars, anyone?
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2010, 02:52:02 AM »
Check out the posting for the Dystopian Wars French Battleship. Looks very similar to some of the concepts we've seen for Leviathans. I think there is room for both Leviathans & Dystopian Wars but with DW being the first game out I do worry there is the possibility of Leviathans being perceived as a "copycat".

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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2010, 06:34:41 AM »
Check out the posting for the Dystopian Wars French Battleship. Looks very similar to some of the concepts we've seen for Leviathans. I think there is room for both Leviathans & Dystopian Wars but with DW being the first game out I do worry there is the possibility of Leviathans being perceived as a "copycat".

Then I would show the jagbag this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXk0y0E7zfk


dated with concept art August 2008, 2 years prior to Spartan Games release.  ::)

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Re: Dystopian Wars, anyone?
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2010, 10:27:04 AM »
Okay, I don't want to sound like sour grapes here, but the aesthetics of the different nationalities are a little ... different.
They're definitely going with a more 'gonzo', fantasyish Steampunk setting then Leviathans is. Different game scale too.  On the plus side, this makes it easy to instantly tell who's playing who. 

And from the description, that sounds like the Japanese. I'm not all to fond of those, honestly.  But then, I play the Navy with the huge paddlewheels, so who am I to judge. 

However, judging by the "fluff" that I've read they don't have any fact checkers on their staff or they would've chosen names for ship classes more consistent with the Japanese navy.  Also, I'm a little surprised they have an Empress on the throne.  I want to hear the explanation for that.  Japan has had a few Empresses but late Tokugawa/early Meiji Japan was definitely a man's world.
I suspect that fact its an 'alternate history' covers over a multiple of sins when it comes to historical accuracy, which accounts for changes in ship naming schemes and the like.  Leviathans tends to hew closer to the real world, but it makes some pretty big changes too.  I AM a bit amused that Australia seems to have become independant in both sets of games.

The rules were terribly written, dull and offered very little from their other games. Same game with a few tweaks.

Also don't like some ships are naval, some ships fly, some ships can go on land (a bit more understandable). The logic escapes me. Why have a game focused on such a wide variety of aspects?
After having read the book, and played a few games, a bit of an opposing view point here.
The game rules COULD have been organised a bit better, no argument about that.  But the rules themselves seemed fairly clear, barring a couple abnormalities and a few bits of errata. There are plenty of examples to show how things work out. Having not played the other Spartan games, I have no idea how similar the two are, but if use the same mechanics, I dont consider that a bad thing.  So long as they work, anyways.  My one BIG issue is that the rules for setting up a game are hidden in the back.  A minor quibble is I would like a bit more differentation between ship types (Each faction only has one Class of destroyer, escort, frigate, cruiser, etc) but that's something they can 'fix' with later expansion.

I consider this a plus, honestly.  It's an epic scale wargame, so it's nice that they include all three spheres of combat (naval, air, ground) at once.  I rather like the idea of being able to have a force of tanks, landships and coastal defenses being able to defend against a shelling armada of BB's and supporting bombers.

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Re: Dystopian Wars, anyone?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2011, 01:17:44 PM »
So, how does it play? How does it compare with, say Leviathans. How are the turns laid out? How quickly do things die? How much detail do you have to keep track of? What are the dice mechanics like?

Seriously, I'd like to know before decide to drop some cash just to see what the fuss is about.

Thanks.

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Re: Dystopian Wars, anyone?
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2011, 06:52:47 AM »
So, how does it play? How does it compare with, say Leviathans. How are the turns laid out? How quickly do things die? How much detail do you have to keep track of? What are the dice mechanics like?

Seriously, I'd like to know before decide to drop some cash just to see what the fuss is about.

Thanks.

At last I've tryed it out, and I'm pleasantly surprised. True, the core rules are the same of Uncharted Seas, that I like much, but the differences make for a pretty new experience. Things happen fast, expecially regarding planes, and they die fast too; the game is an alternate activation turn, were you activate one squad of ship\planes (big ships are in a squad of one) move and shoot with it. Damage is assigned imediately using counters near the damaged unit.

Do you want me comparing it to Lev? To early in my opinion: I don't have the complete rules for Lev, but from what I can divine:

1) DW can be easily played on a "standard" 3d wargame table (6'' by 4'' ) with 15 ships plus another 20 planes\bombers easily each side; Lev seems more a 4-6 ships each kind of game, a bit like what I found (a long time ago) ideal for Btech. This is not a plus either side, only a different aproach.

2) DW is much more "fantasy" that Lev, that's a given.

3) DW has the advantage of a tried out rule system that has been refined, but I'll happily partecipate in the Lev rules sys refining process too :D

MOST IMPORTANT:
4) both games have the Italian Fleet, and that's brilliant! :D

Shard (waiting for my Regia Marina Levs and my jap robo-squid booth! :D)
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Re: Dystopian Wars, anyone?
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2011, 06:04:19 PM »
Back again after Leviathans shot to the top of the "hotness" list at boardgamegeek.com.  Good to see this game getting some attention, it looks really fun.

I've played DW a few times now (and posted a review over at bgg for those who are curious) and while it is fun, I also much prefer hex based games, and the rule book was very hard to use.  The flavor text in particular was very amateurish, and actually detracted from the game in my opinion.  Clearly, the forte of Spartan Games is minis, not rulebooks.  The rules themselves are fairly simple to follow for someone who's played minis wargames before.  It was fun, and I'll play again, but I'm looking forward to seeing this Leviathans first.

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Re: Dystopian Wars, anyone?
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2011, 04:14:01 PM »
Leviathans is top of the hotness at BGG  :o
Wow, that's good, I wonder what led to that!

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Re: Dystopian Wars, anyone?
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2011, 12:52:04 AM »
Leviathans is top of the hotness at BGG  :o
Wow, that's good, I wonder what led to that!

Sheer, unmitigated awesomeness. ;)